The International Debt Statistics 2021 report by the World Bank shows that between 2009 and 2019, countries in the East African region have increased their external borrowing by nearly four times, from nineteen point nine billion US dollars to seventy-three point eight billion US dollar. Tolulope Adeleru-Balogun had an elaborated discussion with Chibamba Kanyama, an Economist and former IMF Communications Advisor joined us from Lusaka, Zambia and James Mbugua – Lawyer and Policy Communications Consultant from Nairobi, Kenya.